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克氏(Krishnamurti)與物理學大師David Bohm对话

人和子(1918350) 20060520 23:59:39 会长,奥修呢?
阿张兰石(44999333) 20060520 00:16:48

奥修和Krishnamurti天壤之别吧。
奥修也常被阿張蘭石推荐,乐于推荐, 但是他和克氏,完全是两个层次了。
克氏与奥修的不同,差不多等于超心理学与普世宗教的不同, “真水无香” 与 “可口可乐” 的不同。
——一边是直指人心,见性成佛;一边是游戏“方便智慧”,开展、收放着“杂染罗网”。


人和子(1918350) 20060520 00:18:00 如此啊
阿张兰石(44999333) 20060520 00:18:58

可口可乐才能方便地化导万民。普世宗教化导了万民,才能暂时间改善这时代的劫难。

人和子(1918350) 20060520 00:20:06 这样
若衣(41137343) 20060520 00:21:08 谢谢会长
阿张兰石(44999333) 20060520 00:21:31

所以,虽然咱致力于开掘纯净智慧水的泉源, 但也不排斥,甚至愿意推荐可口可乐对世人的贡献。

20061118
老爷我(240904898) 19:06:29 我很想知道克氏那么空慧,最后是哪里出了错?
阿张五十八(44999333) 19:06:22 克氏所出的问题是被逼的,当然,被逼就出问题也怪自己。。。
老爷我(240904898) 19:08:41 太太太可惜了
念药(26731374) 19:10:02 请问克氏出了什么问题啊?
老爷我(240904898) 19:10:17 我想是执着
阿张五十八(44999333) 19:09:37 那几乎是咱们不需要管的。
念药(26731374) 19:11:04 恩,好的
阿张五十八(44999333) 19:11:01 他的执著比一班宗教大师活佛教主少得多,所以出问题也不很成影响  够ok了
阿张五十八(44999333) 19:12:14 他很喜欢音乐,几乎依赖音乐,世人以为:呵呵,跟我一样。 其实,那是因为他出了问题,很焦虑。
老爷我(240904898) 19:15:25 是世间的音乐还是"观音",我记得他书里曾提到过,禅修,,他觉得这是一条在任何宗教之上的路,(大致)
阿张五十八(44999333) 19:14:12 对高层次灵修者而言,听音乐和抽烟一样,都是潜伏的情染所导致的烦恼厌离与焦虑。
阿张五十八(44999333) 19:14:34 世间音乐
老爷我(240904898) 19:16:05 恩,依赖..依赖不自由
阿张五十八(44999333) 19:15:47 真正的灵性音乐只有内音,连内音都不能依赖,何况外在俗人以情染心所流露、创造的音乐?
阿张五十八(44999333) 19:18:15 克氏由于一些高境界的人才会遇到的烦恼(所以咱不需知道内容), 造成身心的压力,所以才会对世俗音乐有很大的相应。 一个真正的阿罗汉,听了音乐,也能欣赏,但毫无染着,不会动念想听。

Lives in the Shadow With J. Krishnamurti
by Radha Sloss

Rosalind

This book is available from Amazon

Ros and RajagopalRadha Rajagopal Sloss was born in July, 1931 to Rosalind Rajagopal wife of Krishamurti's secretary and editor - personal manager may be the closest description. She was brought up in Arya Vihara the home of Krishnamurti where her mother was the house-keeper and very close friend of Krishnamurti. No other biographies of Krishnamurti disagree with the importance of Rosalind and Radha Rajagopal in the life of Krishnamurti but only this one is written by an observer who grew up as a pampered "daughter" of Krishnamurti and was privy to famliy secrets.

Both the older Rajagopals and Krishnamurti had grown up in the hot-house atmosphere of the Theosophical Society and it's ideas about the new world messiah that Krishnamurti was to be. Rajagopal himself was a boy protegé of Leadbeater and was the "reincarnation" of St Bernard of Clairveaux, he was a brilliant student and at the insistence of the Theosphical hierarchy took over the role of Krishnamurti's factotum after Krishnamurti's younger brother, Nitya, after Nitya's death in 1925.

The Rajagopal's sexual relationship ended after the Radha's birth at his request, the reasons for this are never gone into, understandably enough this is not a topic a child usually wants to investigate. Krishnamurti and Rosalind began a secret, sexual relationship in the spring of 1932 at his instigation and this continued until the 1950's when it petered out in a welter of long-term recrimination over Rosalind's suspicions about Krishnamurti's infatuation for Nandini Mehta and their general growing-apart and aging.

Rosalind Rajagopal was a very warm and compassionate person who's information and veracity on this subject could not be questioned. She was held in high esteem by most who came in contact with Krishnamurti. She was so liked by the Huxley's that she was present at the death of Aldous Huxley.

K, Huxleys, Stravinskys and Radha

This book reveals the other day-to-day side of Krishnamurti's life and as such would be enough to highlight the discrepancies between the public portrayal of Krishnamurti as the idealised, enlightened, chaste being and his all too human pettinesses. For most of us in the 1990's his long term monogamous, sexual relationship with the woman whom he was acknowledged as closest to, would not be considered particularly negative, indeed many would consider it, at worst, morally neutral. The secrecy of the relationship could even be rationalised as a bow to the conventional societal/sexual hypocrisy of the times - a harmless deception to prevent scandal preventing people appreciating the purity of the teaching.

But not many would be able to accept the three secret, illegal (and therefore dangerous) abortions that Rosalind had of three children of Krishnamurti and the lies, recriminations and emotional trauma that all of the protagonists endured in the 1950's. It will be extremely difficult for anybody interested in Krishnamurti's teachings to see them as coming from an authentic source who has transcended any of the worst of the human condition and without the "authentification" of Krishnamurti's supposed enlightenment and the romantic glamour of his idealised portrayal, they are just another set of utopian concepts. K and Willie Weidemann

Willie Weidemann was the brother-in-law of Rosalind Rajagopal and manager of the farm and orange orchard at which Krishnamurti lived.

 

"Although he was at the core of all our lives, Willie never had any interest in the philosophical side of life around Krinsh. He helped in all the financial and practical matters, the mailing lists, the books, even sitting behind the table to sell the publications at the talks. He told me once many years later, after he had retired, that the reason he had no interest in what Krinsh had to say was because he had witnessed early on the discrepancy between what Krinsh said and what he did. Willie never commented on this to anyone as he did not consider it his business but quietly made up his mind that he would find his own path, as he always had - and indeed as Krinsh himself publicly recommended."